The sensor that DTA use is a Bosch 0 258 104 002 which is one that Webcon supply to Mountune and Pectel for their logging systems. I understand that it is quite special in the way it operates and the original fitment is actually a MAN truck! It features four wires. Two for the sensor (black=signal, grey=earth), and two for the heater element inside the sensor. I've yet to determine how the heater works. It may just be required for starting, to get the sensor in to its calibrated operating range. I've shortened the leads, as they were 2M long! I've used an Amphenol water proof connector from WWW.RSWWW.COM, #246-8436. I've also had to crimp the connectors to the wires using a special crimp tool, borrowed from work, as the grey wire from the sensor just would not take any solder. Its as if its made from steel wire, and not the usual tinned copper wire, so forget trying to solder any connectors on to this sensor cable. $Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 07:48:24 -0500 (EST) $From: Frank F Parker $Subject: Re: LSM-11 source On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, bruce plecan wrote: All I have been able to find is the 3 temp curves from Bosch. Maybe Steve Lamb in Aust has been able to get other info. Bosch part #: 0-258-104-002 Bosch Chicago: 708-865-5244 Data sheet # (9 pages):Y 258 K02 078 Good Bosch Distb(has LSM11 in stock): Mech-Tronic NY area 516-423-0523 ph The sensor has essentially the same output curve as production car sensors but is specially made for repeatability and low flow over sensor element. Thus one can replace prod sensor with lsm11 and connect to both logger/dvm/? and the car ecm as long as device connected is of high impedance. The NTK can not as output curve is bipolar. Want even more background: see "Automotive Electronics Handbook" by Ronald Jurgen. Chapter 6, Exhaust Gas Sensors, is written by HM Wiedenmann, Bosch GmbH, Lambda Oxygen Sensor Development. Regards, Frank Parker